[Lilug] optonline router

Wed Aug 26 13:43:30 PDT 2015

I had some hope for my Cablevision-provided wireless router being better
than the old Linksys I was running at the time.  That was up until I
actually went to set it up and realized that it had to be online for you to
configure it (which I'd venture is logically backward.)

Furthermore as mentioned previously, all the settings come from Optimum,
you have no ability to do anything locally. Back in the box it went where
it still sits in pristine condition. I went and got a new router.  I like
to know where their domain ends and mine begins.

Also on the topic of good routers and ambiguous boundaries [cue suspenseful
music and a slowly zooming shot of Google Headquarters] what do you guys
think of OnHub?

 [https://on.google.com/hub/]

I think it looks sufficiently well designed to make me want to give them
even more access to the information they already know about me.

-Mike

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:51 PM, <lgrosenthal at 2rosenthals.com> wrote:

> Hi, all...
>
> FYI: I do not believe that this is an issue with business-class service,
> so the answer may be to pay the higher fee (better support, anyway), and be
> done with it.
>
> At my place, I have FiOS *and* Cablevision, both business-class. I don't
> use the FiOS (Actiontek) router for much, though video-on-demand utilizes
> it, and I am testing an isolated WLAN for my Roku devices to bypass my
> normal filtering and web proxy which is otherwise applied and causes
> blocking of spme streaming channels. The Cablevision connection is a
> "backup" line (15Mbps/5Mbps vs FiOS 50Mbps synchronous), and consists of a
> Motorola "surfboard" coupled with a Cisco 800-series 4-port router (no
> Wi-Fi from Cablevision, at all).
>
> I don't know what the TV situation is from Cablevision when requesting
> business-class service. When I did have Cable TV, I had a separate account
> for that (TV alone), and that was several years ago.
>
> Personally, no matter how well they firewall the public WLAN from the
> private LAN, I don't like anyone having such access to equipment that close
> to my personal or business systems (the Cisco 800 is on the far side of my
> normal router, which is Astaro Security Linux - now Sophos - though even
> something like pfSense should be adequate).
>
> GL
>
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> On Aug 26, 2015 12:04 PM, odinson <odinson at warcloud.net> wrote:
>
> BTW no reason you can't throw the whole thing in an anti static bag,
> aluminum case, etc.
>
> Of course read the whole contract before you choose this path. Not sure
> what cablevision makes you agree to.
>
> Matt
>
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, odinson wrote:
>
> >
> > Moral and legal question is an old one. Does a service company have
> > the right to force whatever software or hardware they want on you? The
> legal
> > answer is by contract yes, but morally no. IMO the law should allow for
> a
> > protocol and how you communicate on it not the gear. Exceptions have
> been
> > made for electrical wires because a bad main breaker (etc) can kill a
> utility
> > technician. The harm is irreversible.
> >
> > People used to own the airspace on their property 'to the heavens.'
> > Which has since been chopped down to navigate-able airspace.
> > Airwaves can definitely pass though your property, but originating from
> > equipment on your property that isn't providing a service you are using
> may
> > be different.
> >
> > Do you use cablevisions wifi service?
> >
> > This may be the key to drone cases too which often broadcast as well
> > as receive. Lots of well off people don't want the paparazzi to have the
> > legal right to broadcast video from a drone hovering over their patio
> (legal
> > airspace right now) without explicit permission. The wifi broadcast
> seems to
> > be the same situation.
> >
> > Eventually, legally, I'd expect some sort of external buffer zone
> > (50ft?) to be set up around both not explicitly authorized rf
> transmission
> > around private property (think high rise buildings) and airspace in all
> > directions from any object natural or manmade.
> >
> > Of course cablevision could solve this by paying you a fee for the
> > use of your property, then in NY you have agreed by accepting the
> payment
> > (part of your bill)
> >
> > IANAL, but strange bedfellows are interesting.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Rocco Laudadio wrote:
> >
> >> I've dealt with these routers before. They are 100% operated by
> >> Cablevision. You have no actual access to it. You log into your Optimum
> >> account on their website and adjust the settings from their servers. I
> >> would never trust one of these personally.
> >>
> >> As far as the public WiFi hotspot, from what I've read about it, they
> >> actually do a good job keeping that separate from your private network.
> It
> >> gives your personal ip bandwidth priority and will throttle the public
> WiFi
> >> if it has to to keep your data unaffected. It even blacklists the mac
> >> address of any device that connects to your personal wifi so that you
> can't
> >> accidentally connection to the throttled public one. Cablevision is
> being
> >> sued over it right now, but they did such a good job separating the
> systems
> >> that the only thing they might be able to get them on is the extra
> >> electricity draw.
> >> My wife called cablevision to complain that her computer was slow and
> >> they told her that the reason is our 5 year old cable modem and router
> >> (and not the windows malware). They were very eager to send us a free
> >> new modem and router. I installed it and needed some help from tech
> >> support. It made me realize that they have total control over the
> router
> >> and knew which devices were connected to it. If they can log into the
> >> router, who else can?
> >> I also noticed that there is now a optimumwifi hotspot near my house.
> Is
> >> that my router providing it? There was just a story on slashdot about
> >> some UK ISP doing that.
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