[Lilug] optonline router

Thu Aug 27 07:49:00 PDT 2015

I had spoken to an Optimum rep and he told me that even though they did not
charge me for their router, if I decided to use my own router they *would*
charge me for *NOT* using theirs until I return it.

Dave  Jones
"The most valuable commodity I know of is information."
- Gordon Gekko (Wall Street)

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:57 AM, odinson <odinson at warcloud.net> wrote:

>
> BTW no reason you can't throw the whole thing in an anti static bag,
> aluminum case, etc.
>
> Of course read the whole contract before you choose this path. Not sure
> what cablevision makes you agree to.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, odinson wrote:
>
>
>>         Moral and legal question is an old one.  Does a service company
>> have the right to force whatever software or hardware they want on you?
>> The legal answer is by contract yes, but morally no.  IMO the law should
>> allow for a protocol and how you communicate on it not the gear. Exceptions
>> have been made for electrical wires because a bad main breaker (etc) can
>> kill a utility technician.  The harm is irreversible.
>>
>>         People used to own the airspace on their property 'to the
>> heavens.' Which has since been chopped down to navigate-able airspace.
>> Airwaves can definitely pass though your property, but originating from
>> equipment on your property that isn't providing a service you are using may
>> be different.
>>
>>         Do you use cablevisions wifi service?
>>
>>         This may be the key to drone cases too which often broadcast as
>> well as receive.  Lots of well off people don't want the paparazzi to have
>> the legal right to broadcast video from a drone hovering over their patio
>> (legal airspace right now) without explicit permission.  The wifi broadcast
>> seems to be the same situation.
>>
>>         Eventually, legally,  I'd expect some sort of external buffer
>> zone (50ft?) to be set up around both not explicitly authorized rf
>> transmission around private property (think high rise buildings) and
>> airspace in all directions from any object natural or manmade.
>>
>>         Of course cablevision could solve this by paying you a fee for
>> the use of your property, then in NY you have agreed by accepting the
>> payment (part of your bill)
>>
>> IANAL, but strange bedfellows are interesting.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2015, Rocco Laudadio wrote:
>>
>> I've dealt with these routers before. They are 100% operated by
>>> Cablevision. You have no actual access to it. You log into your Optimum
>>> account on their website and adjust the settings from their servers. I
>>> would never trust one of these personally.
>>>
>>> As far as the public WiFi hotspot, from what I've read about it, they
>>> actually do a good job keeping that separate from your private network.
>>> It
>>> gives your personal ip bandwidth priority and will throttle the public
>>> WiFi
>>> if it has to to keep your data unaffected.  It even blacklists the mac
>>> address of any device that connects to your personal wifi so that you
>>> can't
>>> accidentally connection to the throttled public one. Cablevision is being
>>> sued over it right now, but they did such a good job separating the
>>> systems
>>> that the only thing they might be able to get them on is the extra
>>> electricity draw.
>>> My wife called cablevision to complain that her computer was slow and
>>> they told her that the reason is our 5 year old cable modem and router
>>> (and not the windows malware). They were very eager to send us a free
>>> new modem and router. I installed it and needed some help from tech
>>> support. It made me realize that they have total control over the router
>>> and knew which devices were connected to it. If they can log into the
>>> router, who else can?
>>> I also noticed that there is now a optimumwifi hotspot near my house. Is
>>> that my router providing it? There was just a story on slashdot about
>>> some UK ISP doing that.
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> My theory; Psychopaths precede the conscience,
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