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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=406151917-10022009>anyone
using another search engine than Google ??</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=406151917-10022009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=406151917-10022009>results ??</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=406151917-10022009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=406151917-10022009>i
would like to find an alternative for serious research</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=406151917-10022009>( ie
no Amazon links, etc ) - i realize you can "not" these, but
Google</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=406151917-10022009>tends
toward "what do you want to by" and the adwords skew</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=406151917-10022009></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=406151917-10022009>anyone
found another search engine they like ??</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=406151917-10022009>used
to use Northern lights and altavista before they died ..</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
lilug-bounces@lilug.org [mailto:lilug-bounces@lilug.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Kenneth Downs<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:06
AM<BR><B>To:</B> LILUG Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lilug] The
Elephant in the Room: Google Monoculture<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Flying way off on
a tangent here, the Sci Fi writer Stephen Baxter conjectures that if we are
ever going to have artificial intelligences like in the movies, they would
evolve out of the search engines.<BR><BR>"Computer, please tell me about
ancient Rome"<BR><BR>"I have thousands of documents available, would you like
to begin with a general summary?"<BR><BR>"Yes please"<BR><BR>"This history of
ancient Rome is divided roughly into the periods of the kingdom, the republic,
and the empire - "<BR><BR>"Computer, stop, what sources do we have for the
kingdom?"<BR><BR>"Our sources are limited to the Roman history Livius, who
wrote about the kingdom in the reign of Augustus. He was writing of a
period between 500 and 750 years prior to his own birth..."<BR><BR>you get the
idea. The friendly useful computer is really just a talking search
engine. It only becomes HAL when you give it control of life
support.<BR><BR>Robert Wilkens wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
personally wonder who will be the first to volunteer to stop using
Google. In my experience, it’s the only search engine that finds
exactly what I’m looking for almost every time. I often wind up using
something like Live Search first because it’s the default in my browser, but
too often I find the first page of results is either mostly spam, or
completely unrelated to what I’m looking for. As long as Google is one
of the few engines that is as up-to-date with search results and reliably
finds what I’m looking for, I feel it will in my book always remain my first
choice.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I’m
not saying a better search tool will never come along, but for today there
are few truly good generic alternatives.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:lilug-bounces@lilug.org">lilug-bounces@lilug.org</A> [<A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:lilug-bounces@lilug.org">mailto:lilug-bounces@lilug.org</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Justin Dearing<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 09, 2009
5:21 PM<BR><B>To:</B> LILUG Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Lilug] The
Elephant in the Room: Google Monoculture<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">Some interesting points.
Although, I think eventually google will collapse under its own weight like
most monopolies do if left to their own devices. Rome fell to the
barbarians. Ironically, the barbarians eventually called themselves the Holy
Roman empire even though they were neither very Roman nor very Holy.
<BR><BR>Eventually google will fat and lazy that we will all run a
completely decentralized search engine running through freenet on virtualbox
instances of the hurd or something else no one else could have
predicted.<O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Sent to you by Justin Dearing via
Google Reader:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></H3></DIV>
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<H2 style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><A
href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001224.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">The Elephant in the Room: Google
Monoculture</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></H2></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">via <A
href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/" moz-do-not-send="true">Coding
Horror</A> by Jeff Atwood on 2/9/09<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I was browsing the
sessions at an upcoming <A href="http://en.oreilly.com/found"
moz-do-not-send="true">Search Conference</A>, which describes itself thusly:
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The way
to online success is through being easily found in search engines such as
Google, Yahoo!, and Microsoft Live Search. While developers have
historically thought of search as a marketing activity, technical
architecture has now become critical for search success.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Anyone else see the
<B>elephant in the room</B>, there? No? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Just two weeks after we
launched Stack Overflow, I mentioned that <A
href="http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001174.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">search engines already made up 50% of our
traffic</A>. Well, not so much search engine<B><U>s</U></B> as search
engin<B><U>e</U></B>: <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I try
to be politically correct in discussing web search, avoiding the g-word
whenever possible, desperately attempting to preserve the illusion that
web search is actually a competitive market. But it's becoming a
transparent and cruel joke at this point. <B>When we say "web search" we
mean one thing, and one thing only: Google</B>. <A
href="http://www.skrenta.com/2006/12/googles_true_search_market_sha.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">Rich Skrenta explains</A>:
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm not
a professional analyst, and my approach here is pretty back-of-the-napkin.
Still, it confirms what those of us in the search industry have known for
a long time. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">The New York Times, for
instance, gets nearly 6 times as much traffic from Google as it does from
Yahoo. Tripadvisor gets 8 times as much traffic from Google vs. Yahoo.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Even Yahoo's own sites
are no different. While it receives a greater fraction of Yahoo search
traffic than average, Yahoo's own flickr service gets 2.4 times as much
traffic from Google as it does from Yahoo. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">My favorite example:
According to Hitwise, [ex] Yahoo blogger Jeremy Zawodny gets 92% of his
inbound search traffic from Google, and only 2.7% from Yahoo.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">That was written almost
two years ago. Guess which way those numbers have gone since then?
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Now that <A
href="http://stackoverflow.com/" moz-do-not-send="true">Stack Overflow</A>
has been chugging right along for almost six months, allow me to share the
last month of our own data. <B>Currently, 83% of our total traffic is from
search engines</B>, or rather, one <I>particular</I> search engine:
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: right"
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: right"
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: right"
align=right>1,274<O:P></O:P></P></TD></TR>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 3pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 3pt; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: right"
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Those 6x and 8x numbers
that Rich quoted two years ago seem awfully quaint now. Google delivers
<B>350x</B> the traffic to Stack Overflow that the next best so-called
"search engine" does. <I>Three hundred and fifty times!</I>
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Now, I don't claim that
Stack Overflow is representative of every site on the internet -- obviously
it isn't. It's a site for programmers. And let me be absolutely crystal
clear that I have no problem at all with Google. That said, I find it
profoundly disturbing that <B>if every other search engine in the world shut
down <I>tomorrow</I>, our website's traffic would be effectively
unchanged</B>. That's downright <I>scary</I>. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Yes, I like Google. Yes,
Google works great and has been my homepage for about eight years now.
Google nailed search, and they deserve the leadership position they've
earned. But where's the healthy competition? Where's the incentive for
Google to improve? All I see is a large and growing monoculture that acts as
the <A
href="http://www.skrenta.com/2007/01/winnertakeall_google_and_the_t.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">start page for the internet</A>.
<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I'm a little surprised
all the people who were so <A
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft"
moz-do-not-send="true">up in arms about the Microsoft "monopoly" ten years
ago</A> aren't out in the streets today lighting torches and sharpening
their pitchforks to go after Google. Does the fact that Google's products
are mostly free and ad-supported somehow exempt it from the same scrutiny?
Isn't anyone else concerned that Google, even with the best of "don't be
evil" intentions, has become <A
href="http://whimsley.typepad.com/whimsley/2008/03/mr-googles-guid.html"
moz-do-not-send="true">more master than servant</A>? <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Calling the current state
of search engine competition a horse race is an insult to horse races. No,
what we have here is a one horse race where all the other horses were
shipped off to glue factories years ago. <B>Forget "search conference", you
should be throwing a "Google conference", because there's no difference.</B>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">I don't know. Maybe
that's OK. But it does mean that if Google, for whatever reason, decided to
remove you from its search results, <A
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moz-do-not-send="true">your website no longer exists</A>. At least not as a
viable business, anyway. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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